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General Category => Rules Questions => Topic started by: andrew on March 03, 2009, 07:20:02 AM
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Hi
I have my own thoughts on this but would appreciate a 2nd opinion or two.
Per the following diagram, attackers #1 and #2 are a group and have moved into front edge combat with a TF defender. Attacker #1 is fighting Defender #2 who is behind a TF. Attacker #2 has no-one to their front. Does attacker #2 overlap the defender?
Same situation as above but defender #2 is part of a group which also includes defender #1, both are defending the TF. Defender #2 is fighting attacker #1 per the previous paragraph, and defender #1 has no-one to their front. Does defender #1 overlap attacker #1?
See attached:
(http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/TF.jpg)
Cheers
Andrew
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To be in overlap from this position, the element you are assisting has to be in front edge combat with an enemy element or a separating PO [but no mention of fortifications]. P 35. So your attacker #2 does not overlap defender #2. If attacker#2 advanced into mutual flank edge contact with defender#2 then it would be an overlap.
When storming fortifications, defenders can overlap attackers (p42) so defender #1 does overlap attacker#1.
I note that P35 and p42 appear to contradict each other on the subject of defenders overlapping attackers, but I assume P42 is an overriding special case.
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:) Totally agree with Lawrence,
and intersetingly if att1 is of a type that does not get overlapped in the open ( Wwg(S), Exp(O), mounted in own bound etc.) it still gets overlapped in this situation, indeed this also applies to the defenders that would not provide an overlap in the open ( Art or Elephants for mounted etc. ).
I did ask questions about this a while ago and I think thats what this forum came up with.
I would like to know ( or reaffirm ) if Def2 is at a corner ( ie TF to it's open side ) and Att2 was more forward ( side edge level with Def2 with TF in between ) would this count as an overlap.
William
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:) Totally agree with Lawrence,
Ditto
and intersetingly if att1 is of a type that does not get overlapped in the open ( Wwg(S), Exp(O), mounted in own bound etc.) it still gets overlapped in this situation, indeed this also applies to the defenders that would not provide an overlap in the open ( Art or Elephants for mounted etc. ).
I did ask questions about this a while ago and I think thats what this forum came up with.
Yep - the exceptions for overlaps are listed under a heading "Other than when storming fortifications..." - so none of hte exceptions apply when doing so!
I would like to know ( or reaffirm ) if Def2 is at a corner ( ie TF to it's open side ) and Att2 was more forward ( side edge level with Def2 with TF in between ) would this count as an overlap.
AFAIK this would not be an overlap - side edge contact has to be with the element being overlapped - there is no provision for it to count if there's a TF in between, or even a PO
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I would like to know ( or reaffirm ) if Def2 is at a corner ( ie TF to it's open side ) and Att2 was more forward ( side edge level with Def2 with TF in between ) would this count as an overlap.
AFAIK this would not be an overlap - side edge contact has to be with the element being overlapped - there is no provision for it to count if there's a TF in between, or even a PO
YEs, that was my thinking, too.
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Thanks everyone - that confirms my thinking!
Cheers
Andrew