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General Discussion / Help with Seleucid list interpretation
« on: October 05, 2020, 07:14:03 AM »
In the process of putting together a shopping list for Seleucids. Years since I played DB games at that was DBM so I've yet to get my head round the changes with DBMM. I'm very tempted to build a list for around 200 BC thus allowing me to take Antiochus III as a Brilliant General. One of my considerations is the cavalry upgrades.
After 205 BC the generals may be upgraded to Kn (X) but I'm not sure that's a good idea, I don't really intend throwing the generals into infantry battles and if attacked by mounted I think I'd rather have the generals as Kn (F). As there are no other changes listed for generals before 205 BC I'm assuming that, while the 205 change merely calls them Kn(F) generals, they will remain as Reg Kn (F) in single element wedge?
The Companions I think don't change at all from the look of it. All the Agema however must change to Reg Kn(X) which would have to be Cataphracts I guess.
In terms of the Line Cavalry, post 276 BC they will all have become Reg Kn (F) but as a 200 BC list is not long after their optional upgrade of Kn(F) to Kn(X) in 205 BC (again which I assume will HAVE to be Cataphracts), it probably gives me some justification to retain up to 1/2 of the Line Cavalry as R Kn (F). While Kn(X) are OK against infantry I tend to prefer Cv(O) or Kn (F) overall given that, IIRC, Kn(X) fight as Kn(I) against other knights?
The only thing a 205 BC list prevents is the use of Roman Argyraspides which I thought might be useful in making the heavy infantry less of a one trick (pike) pony and give them a bit more flexibility. Only problem with going that late is that the Brilliant General is not available and also, thematically, I guess pretty much all the Line Cavalry would have to be represented as Cataphracts.
Any thoughts / comments welcome.
Also, wondering if these would be suitable for Line Cavalry Kn (F)? I do like the look of FiB Prodromoi but they were LH AFAIK so likely less suitable.
https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/heavy-cavalry-bell-cuirass.html
I'm guessing not as they look too early and having checked the page again they are actually listed as Bronze Age. Not an awful lot around from the manufacturers I've been looking at for Line Cavalry that are not either Light, Cataphract or Companion.
Maybe these Bactrian Greek?:
https://www.forgedinbattle.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=614&search=heavy+cavalry
As an aside, is there still a DBMM commentary document available updated for DBMM 2.1? I know it used to be in the Yahoo Groups Files but IIRC Yahoo Groups are dead now.
After 205 BC the generals may be upgraded to Kn (X) but I'm not sure that's a good idea, I don't really intend throwing the generals into infantry battles and if attacked by mounted I think I'd rather have the generals as Kn (F). As there are no other changes listed for generals before 205 BC I'm assuming that, while the 205 change merely calls them Kn(F) generals, they will remain as Reg Kn (F) in single element wedge?
The Companions I think don't change at all from the look of it. All the Agema however must change to Reg Kn(X) which would have to be Cataphracts I guess.
In terms of the Line Cavalry, post 276 BC they will all have become Reg Kn (F) but as a 200 BC list is not long after their optional upgrade of Kn(F) to Kn(X) in 205 BC (again which I assume will HAVE to be Cataphracts), it probably gives me some justification to retain up to 1/2 of the Line Cavalry as R Kn (F). While Kn(X) are OK against infantry I tend to prefer Cv(O) or Kn (F) overall given that, IIRC, Kn(X) fight as Kn(I) against other knights?
The only thing a 205 BC list prevents is the use of Roman Argyraspides which I thought might be useful in making the heavy infantry less of a one trick (pike) pony and give them a bit more flexibility. Only problem with going that late is that the Brilliant General is not available and also, thematically, I guess pretty much all the Line Cavalry would have to be represented as Cataphracts.
Any thoughts / comments welcome.
Also, wondering if these would be suitable for Line Cavalry Kn (F)? I do like the look of FiB Prodromoi but they were LH AFAIK so likely less suitable.
https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/heavy-cavalry-bell-cuirass.html
I'm guessing not as they look too early and having checked the page again they are actually listed as Bronze Age. Not an awful lot around from the manufacturers I've been looking at for Line Cavalry that are not either Light, Cataphract or Companion.
Maybe these Bactrian Greek?:
https://www.forgedinbattle.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=614&search=heavy+cavalry
As an aside, is there still a DBMM commentary document available updated for DBMM 2.1? I know it used to be in the Yahoo Groups Files but IIRC Yahoo Groups are dead now.