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Competitions / Swabian Open 2023, January 27th - 29th
« Last post by Arnim on August 26, 2022, 09:37:50 AM »
Neil and I would like to invite you to have an exciting start to the year 2023. Here you can find our invitation for the Swabian Open 2023, we will be exploring the Franconian armies from Carolingian times until the tranfer to the Capetingian dynasty in the west frankish realm. Find the English language version in the download section on the right.

http://www.fsfev.de/swabianopen
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Rules Questions / Re: TZ and Artillery edge
« Last post by Orcoteuthis on June 28, 2022, 09:24:18 AM »
Offhand, I'd say no. The Art's flank counts as a front edge only once it's been contacted.
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Rules Questions / Re: TZ and Artillery edge
« Last post by Marcel Bos on May 25, 2022, 01:16:36 PM »
I would certainly allow it.
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Rules Questions / TZ and Artillery edge
« Last post by Neil Williamson on May 21, 2022, 08:48:29 PM »
This one was posed in the NZ Facebook group.

An element has its rear edge in a TZ.
The element has an enemy artillery unit flank edge within its movement range.

P32 states a move forward into front edge contact is allowed.
P35 states the flank edge of a train counts as the front edge.

Can the element in the TZ move into contact with the flank edge of the artillery?
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Book 4 / Re: Errata - Book 4 2nd edition
« Last post by Orcoteuthis on May 17, 2022, 03:15:01 PM »
The Jurchen-Chin list has the Iron Pagodas optionally classified as "Reg Bd (X) @9AP". This is either an AP error (should be 8AP) or a the grade should (S) rather than (X).
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Competitions / Re: Results of Stoertebeker Cup 2022
« Last post by Orcoteuthis on May 17, 2022, 03:12:29 PM »
Nice reports, thanks  8)
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Competitions / Results of Stoertebeker Cup 2022
« Last post by Arnim on May 04, 2022, 08:40:46 AM »
Hello,

the Stoertebeker Cup has been fought last weekend. This is an event that requests Naval combat and there are prizes for best Admiral and for best General. The topic was rise & fall of Carthage .. but the Carthaginian player was ill. I went with ancient Spanish

Find reports from Thomas and from myself here: http://www.arnim.web.netic.de/tabletop/berichte/berichte.html
It's all in German language, so you have to run it through some translator (Google or ...)

Official results will be published on www.jannbengen.de
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Rules Questions / Re: Passing through
« Last post by Marcel Bos on April 17, 2022, 10:14:07 PM »
You’re right.
Passing through defenitly needs explanation or a consencus.

I even looked now at the old rules DBM and DBMM v. 1.
One thing I learned from this is interpenetrating elements of a group can split.
But is wasn’t clear to me if this was valid for only non-impeteous troops.

Lets look at the current rules:

Elements making a spontaneous advance pass trough friends in their path… the following events occur: “Other non-impeteous troops---- recoil (see p. 40) as each successive element passes through.”

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An element that will not clear the base of a friendly element or gate tower it passes through stops at that element
or tower's near edge if the move would end in contact with enemy and is not spontaneous. Otherwise, it is placed
immediately beyond the first such element or tower, friends previously there shifting in the direction moved to
make room. Any elements following it stop at the first friendly element's or tower's near edge.

In my opinion, if passing through:

An interpenetrating element moves its intended movement if it can pass all friendly (interpenetrated) elements with this movement.

But, the leading/first interpenetrating element, that can’t totally clear one or more interpenetrated friendly elements, must either stop before or beyond the nearest interpenetrated friendly element it can’t clear.
This nearest interpenetrated friendly element stays put.

If this interpenetrating element must stop beyond an interpenetrated element, friendly elements beyond the interpenetrated element make room by shifting in the direction moved.

If this interpenetrating element must stop before an interpenetrated element, there is no rule that other friendly elements make room by shifting in any direction whatsoever.
So this interpenetrating element must stop before interpenetrating any element!

So, in some cases an interpenetrating group will be split by an interpenetrated group, in which case the interpenetrated group isn’t split.

Of course, there is the matter of recoiling.
A recoil (p 40) is a base depth (max. a base width), not more, or a 180° turn, often not enough to make room.
If Phil wanted to hold together a spontaneous column, the last sentence should be (or something like that):
"Any non-sponteneous elements following it stop at the first friendly element’s or tower’s near edge, however any spontenous elements following it keeps in contact with the preceding spontaneous element, other friendly elements previously there shifting opposite to the direction moved to make room."



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Rules Questions / Re: Passing through
« Last post by LawrenceG1 on April 13, 2022, 04:53:49 PM »
I think it is usual to move the lead spontaneous element to it's normal position, then treat the recoiling element as the one not  able to clear the base. If multiple sponno elements are moving, they stay as a column and all end up in their proper position; the recoiling elements are moved back far enough to clear all the bases.

To be honest, I think this practice is based more on what happened in DBM than on a detailed analysis of the DBMM rule wording. Might be a question for the commentary team to examine.
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Rules Questions / Re: Passing through
« Last post by Marcel Bos on April 13, 2022, 09:23:15 AM »
Of course, it is always the intention (of Phil Barker) of the rules that matters.

So, in other words:
If a column is spontaneous the leading element is always placed ahead of the first element it can’t clear, pushing forward other friendly elements (or even back if itself or any forward pushed element is blocked by an enemy element or otherwise).
The other spontaneous elements follow directly behind the leading element, pushing back other friendly elements.

Good to know  :)
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