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Neil Williamson

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Spontaneous Advance
« on: October 04, 2018, 02:31:33 AM »
I've been playing the game only for 2 months now and every time I think I've got the hang of the rules I find something new. Even my highlights now need highlights.
Anyway page 32

How are these parts of the rules meant to be read?
Interpenetration can go through a single corner or straight forward/back with a list of conditions.

The next paragraph states that spontaneous advances can pass through any friends in their path (with a few exceptions)

Are the spontaneous advance interpenetrations limited by the paragraph above it or is it a stand alone paragraph and they do "pass through any friends in their path" (implying in any direction)

I have been interpreting it as a stand alone paragraph so that spontaneous advancing troops just barge through. However, on page 30, in the 4th bullet of the penultimate paragraph it states that a spontaneous advance stops when it contacts troops it cannot pass through.


Barritus

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Re: Spontaneous Advance
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2018, 01:12:34 PM »
I've been playing the game only for 2 months now and every time I think I've got the hang of the rules I find something new. Even my highlights now need highlights.

You have a long journey in front of you, grasshopper. Some of us have been playing for 10+ years and are still finding new things in the rules... *sigh*

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Anyway page 32

How are these parts of the rules meant to be read?
Interpenetration can go through a single corner or straight forward/back with a list of conditions.

Yep.

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The next paragraph states that spontaneous advances can pass through any friends in their path (with a few exceptions)

Yes. But note that those exceptions are important.

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Are the spontaneous advance interpenetrations limited by the paragraph above it or is it a stand alone paragraph and they do "pass through any friends in their path" (implying in any direction)

It's a stand alone paragraph. If you look at the interpenetration dot points you'll see that each case specifies the type of movement which can make use of that dot point's interpenetration. Thus, for example, the interpenetration provided by the second dot point is available only when doing a repulse move.

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I have been interpreting it as a stand alone paragraph so that spontaneous advancing troops just barge through. However, on page 30, in the 4th bullet of the penultimate paragraph it states that a spontaneous advance stops when it contacts troops it cannot pass through.

Yes. This is because of those important exceptions - there are some cases where troops can't be passed through by friends making a spontaneous advance. For example, if you have troops in combat (or able to provide rear support or overlap support this bound or next), then impetuous friends won't pass through them - they're stuck behind.

The same goes for impetuous troops which have already made a spontaneous advance this bound - impetuous troops won't pass through them either. This is particularly relevant if you have a whole bunch of impetuous troops, especially if they move at different speeds. Imagine you've just broken an enemy command in your opponent's bound, and you now roll 1 for PIPs and lose control of the victorious elements in your own command: up front you have the slow-moving heavy infantry making a fairly slow spontaneous advance, and a short distance behind your light horse reserve also goes berko...

So you do the impetuous moves of the heavy infantry first, then you do the impetuous moves of the light horse. So the LH stop when they contact the heavy infantry which have already made their impetuous moves.

But if you did the impetuous moves of the LH first, then they'd pass through the heavy infantry, which would then (second dot point) "follow behind in spontaneous advance".

Does this make sense?

Neil Williamson

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Re: Spontaneous Advance
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2018, 11:43:05 PM »
Thank you Mr. Barritus.
Yes that all makes sense. You do have to read the rules very slowly and carefully don't you.
I've got all the various conditions and exceptions now.

Just to make sure with my understanding then, with the spontaneous advance interpenetration paragraph being a stand alone then the following examples are correct? Ignoring any complications of enemy troops and other friends and terrain.

1. Some IrrKn(F) go beserk and move straight forward and through some IrrPs(O) or IrrBd(I) at an angle of say 45 degrees and more than one corner.
They move straight through them and cause them to be spent.
2. IrrLH(S) do the same thing and cause the Ps or Bd to recoil.
3. IrrKn(F) spontaneously move into IrrLH(S) stop on contact and pivot on contact to  face the same direction.

No prizes for guessing what type of army I have!

Thanks

LawrenceG1

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Re: Spontaneous Advance
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2018, 03:09:37 AM »
Just to be strict:

If the Irr LH(S) have moved (or are one of the other exceptions) the Kn(F) stop on contact and face the same direction.

If the Irr LH(S) have not moved and are not one of the other exceptions, then the Kn barge through them, causing them to follow behind in sponno advance.

Note that a tactical or march move by the LH(S) would qualify them as having moved, but a halt would not.


So the rule is:

Barge through anything at any angle, provided it is not an exception case.
If it is an exception case, stop on contact and pivot to face the same direction (if the pivot is less than 90 degrees).



LawrenceG1

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Re: Spontaneous Advance
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2018, 03:14:11 AM »
So you do the impetuous moves of the heavy infantry first, then you do the impetuous moves of the light horse. So the LH stop when they contact the heavy infantry which have already made their impetuous moves.

But if you did the impetuous moves of the LH first, then they'd pass through the heavy infantry, which would then (second dot point) "follow behind in spontaneous advance".

Does this make sense?

Note that when sponno troops are behind other sponno troops, the ones in front must move first. Therefore the only way this second option is possible is if the infantry in front were halted.

Neil Williamson

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Re: Spontaneous Advance
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 09:24:43 AM »
Thanks Lawrence.
I'm pretty sure I've got it now.
No doubt I'll forget it all again in the heat of the battle for a few times