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Marcel Bos

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Column, moving in or moving elements out
« on: May 30, 2008, 06:31:54 PM »
Hi,

I have attached a .pdf (I hope). In the PDF there are 2 examples of Spears attacking an Elephant.
In example A there are to possibilty's in wich way spear A can contact the Elephant with rear support (in de bound of the enemy) from Spear B, but the only way to achieve this is by to single element moves.
In example B the corners of the column of Spears and the Elephant are 20 mm (in 20-30 mm scale) apart.
In this case the Spears have the posibility to move in column, in which case Spear B still gives rearsupport (somewhat strangely).
Of course, when attacked in the flank the Elephant will turn.

Am I right about those movements?    ???

Thanks,
Marcel


landmeister

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Re: Column, moving in or moving elements out
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 08:55:16 AM »
Yes, you are. Both are corrects.

Marcel Bos

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Re: Column, moving in or moving elements out
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 04:34:07 PM »
Thanks Landmeister. But how about a second (more difficult?  :'() example I made to understand the rules.
A new PDF is attached. A column of spears is attacked on the front and threatened on the right flank
(startposition).

Expanding from a column or turning 90o from a straight column into a line isn't possible any more because the front element is already in combat. (p.29)

But because an individual element can exit a column from within (p. 32) Spear C can move individually to the right (position 2A).

Spear D can't leave from within the column, as he is now the head of a column and the space to move out is only 50 paces. But if he could move out the spaces between Spears B and C and between E and C rule out every move to the right (position 2B).

So Spears E and H could move to the right to form a new line (position 3).

Are all those assumptions all right? Does somebody have any comments?

And could Spear C leave when the Spears where part of a wider group (with more elements to the left of Spears A to H), because Spear C could only leave a column?

Thanks again,

Marcel

foxgom

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Re: Column, moving in or moving elements out
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 09:38:19 PM »
Hi

Spear C is in the TZ of the enemy and therefore cannot move sideways.
(TZs go through elements and each Sp is only 15mm deep )

If you want to expand, just say D is the head of a column and expand about him.

You can pull the single elements out to one side as shown in position 3, but note the move distance is 160p, not 150p as in the diagram.

neil fox

landmeister

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Re: Column, moving in or moving elements out
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 02:12:24 PM »
Foxgom is right, you should expand from element D or move them with individual moves. A, B and C are pinned.

Marcel Bos

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Re: Column, moving in or moving elements out
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 03:01:55 PM »
Spear C is in the TZ of the enemy and therefore cannot move sideways.
You are both totaly right about Spear C being pinned, thanks for reminding me.  :)

If you want to expand, just say D is the head of a column and expand about him.
I never thought about it that an other element could also be the head of a column, so expanding from column further backwards should still be possible. This is new for me and very usefull in different situations.

You can pull the single elements out to one side as shown in position 3, but note the move distance is 160p, not 150p as in the diagram.
I needed confirming that this was indeed possible. (I used only 150p to line up with Spear C.)

Marcel