More moving short as a group?

[william]

  Managed to slip part 3 of the weeks topics into part 2 so there is not much more to go through.

Again with this moving short as a group.

Does a group moving short but arriving to corner to corner contact ( and only corner to corner ) with a enemy ( which is part of a group ) front corner still cost 2 pips? ( when the enemy has no elment in edge to edge contact ).

Thanks again

William

[MikeCampbell]

It pays hte penalty - the exception for contacting enemy applies only if the moving elements (or one of het elements of hte moving group's) front edge contacts enemy - the front corner is not part of the front edge.

[LawrenceG]

Managed to slip part 3 of the weeks topics into part 2 so there is not much more to go through.

Again with this moving short as a group.

Does a group moving short but arriving to corner to corner contact ( and only corner to corner ) with a enemy ( which is part of a group ) front corner still cost 2 pips? ( when the enemy has no elment in edge to edge contact ).

Thanks again

William

To avoid the pip penalty, your front edge must end in contact with the enemy. This can be any permissible part fo the enemy (edge or corner). IF only your corner makes contact, then you pay the extra PIP.

However, if you can reach corner to corner contact then you can probably use the 80p extra movement to line up front edge to the enemy edge. If so, then I think you would avoid the penalty.

[MikeCampbell]

However, if you can reach corner to corner contact then you can probably use the 80p extra movement to line up front edge to the enemy edge. If so, then I think you would avoid the penalty.

no - you can only move into contact with your front edge, and you only get the extra 80p if you have moved into contact or are contacted or TZ-ed.

[LawrenceG]

However, if you can reach corner to corner contact then you can probably use the 80p extra movement to line up front edge to the enemy edge. If so, then I think you would avoid the penalty.

no - you can only move into contact with your front edge, and you only get the extra 80p if you have moved into contact or are contacted or TZ-ed.

Corner to corner contact is contact isn't it?

To move into close combat you must contact with your front edge.

To get the 80p extra movement, the rules just say "contacting", not "moving into cose combat". Not all contact is an automatic combat, for example, side edge to side edge is a type of contact that does not lead to a close combat.

Contacting enemy with a front corner is not prohibited. The relevant paragraph on page 33 prohibits contacting enemy only with a rear corner or rear edge. It also apears to prohibit moving a flank edge into contact with a friendly front or rear edge or corner, which I didn't expect.

[MikeCampbell]

The extra movement is for lining up, and specifies it can only be used to line up with a front, flank or rear edge.

If you are in corner-to-corner contact then you are already lined up on the flank for overlap.

[LawrenceG]

The extra movement is for lining up, and specifies it can only be used to line up with a front, flank or rear edge.

If you are in corner-to-corner contact then you are already lined up on the flank for overlap.

True, you can only use the 80p if you are not lined up.

If you were corner to corner but not exactly parallel, then I don't think you would be lined up.

In general, I believe that "lined up" in this context refers to the ways of lining up described in the section "MOVING INTO CLOSE COMBAT", which do not include overlap. This is, however, open to interpretation. What do other people think? Is anything known about Phil's intention?

[LawrenceG]

From the commentary:

Edges and Corners
A corner is not part of an edge.

However, "EXTRA MOVEMENT TO LINE UP..." merely specifies "contacting or contacted".
Moving a corner into contact with a corner is "contacting", so extra move can be used to line up.
Phil Barker, DBMM List #49430

[william]

  Thanks for your help lads, not sure weather you do or you don't pay the extra pip, only occoured because I was thinking in DBM mode and leaving the general till last as he was the guy who was going to frontally contact the enemy in question ( hopefully with the overlap ), was trying to avoid paying extra pips for your general in combat ( that does not apply in DBMM if your general does not start the bound in combat ). I am going to probably refrain from further comments after the trouble I have created ( and made all the more worse ) on the yahoo group in regard to this issue.

William

[MikeCampbell]

Thanks Lawrence - I sit corrected!!

[LawrenceG]

Thanks for your help lads, not sure weather you do or you don't pay the extra pip, only occoured because I was thinking in DBM mode and leaving the general till last as he was the guy who was going to frontally contact the enemy in question ( hopefully with the overlap ), was trying to avoid paying extra pips for your general in combat ( that does not apply in DBMM if your general does not start the bound in combat ). I am going to probably refrain from further comments after the trouble I have created ( and made all the more worse ) on the yahoo group in regard to this issue.

William

If you contact with the corner and stop, you do pay for a short move (unless another exemption applies).
If you contact with the corner and use 80p extra move so your front edge ends in contact then you don't pay.

You didn't cause trouble on the yahoo group, someone else used the topic as an excuse to cause trouble. But you did then add to it unnecessarily.