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bunwin63

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Army Baggage losses
« on: August 20, 2007, 10:34:09 PM »
Do army baggage losses get added to the contributing commands' losses as soon as they occur, or only when the baggage command becomes broken?

Eg 3 commands contribute 2 Bg each to the army baggage. 1 baggage gets chomped. Does each contributing command then get .5 ME losses added to its other losses at that time?

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Aloysius the Gaul

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 11:38:55 PM »
they're lost to every command as soon as they are lost - "lost" includes breaking or destroyed by combat.

bunwin63

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2007, 04:27:09 AM »
Thanks Aloysius

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loki223

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2007, 05:44:11 AM »
does the baggage have to be lumped into a baggage command or can it be a part of the command it came from??

Doug M.

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 05:48:33 AM »
Hi Loki,

Army Baggage is lumped together, but you could instead have Command Baggage, which remains with it's command.

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Barritus

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2007, 08:27:31 AM »
does the baggage have to be lumped into a baggage command or can it be a part of the command it came from??

If you buy baggage for an ally general, the baggage must be assigned to that command. For other generals, baggage can either be assigned to the command, assigned to another sub's or C-in-C's command, or placed in a separate baggage command.

There are different benefits for each concept: assigning baggage to a command usually provides a slightly greater benefit in Morale Equivalents, but may be more isolated, and therefore hard to defend. Conversely, lumping all the baggage together makes it easier to defend, but doesn't provide as much of a Morale Equivalent benefit.

Of course, there's also the No Baggage option, which some people take - you don't have to worry at all about people sacking your baggage, and you can get a couple more elements, but your Morale Equivalents will be a little lower.

loki223

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2007, 08:44:13 PM »
Well all that is good news. Thanks for the run down.

landmeister

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2007, 10:19:04 AM »

If you buy baggage for an ally general, the baggage must be assigned to that command. For other generals, baggage can either be assigned to the command, assigned to another sub's or C-in-C's command, or placed in a separate baggage command.

Really? Can you assign a sub's Bg to another sub's command? How is ME counted now?

Of course, there's also the No Baggage option, which some people take - you don't have to worry at all about people sacking your baggage, and you can get a couple more elements, but your Morale Equivalents will be a little lower.

What!? Why I can't think things like this?  ;D It's perfect!  ;D. My Bag is usually looted, so I got the solution  ;D

toby

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 09:21:57 AM »
Baggage must either be army baggage or command baggage.

Command baggage must be in the 'owning command'.

Army baggage may be in the command of any non-allied general or may be in a train-only baggage command. In either case, all commands with no command baggage count the effects of army baggage.

landmeister

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 11:32:30 AM »
Sure. I understand that. But what do you think about Barritus's option? Can you have Cmd Bge and Army Bge SIMULTANOEUSLY assigned in the same sub's command? Would it modify the ME counts?

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2007, 04:23:51 PM »
No - I think there is something somewhere which prohibits this - I will check tonight.

Barritus

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2007, 04:41:50 AM »
But what do you think about Barritus's option? Can you have Cmd Bge and Army Bge SIMULTANOEUSLY assigned in the same sub's command? Would it modify the ME counts?

Huh? That's not what I said! Read it again:

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If you buy baggage for an ally general, the baggage must be assigned to that command. For other generals, baggage can either be assigned to the command, assigned to another sub's or C-in-C's command, or placed in a separate baggage command.

Nothing about simultaneously assigning Army and Command baggage in a single command.  :o

It's all described in the section on Baggage on page 9 of the rules.

Here's an example: My Late Imperial Roman army has a Regular C-in-C and two Regular Subs. I've bought the maximum possible baggage, and placed it in a fourth (baggage) command. This means it's Army baggage. I do this because the fourth command gets a PIP dice of its own, making it a useful PIP dump.

Alternatively, I could leave each pair of baggage elements with each command, as Command baggage. That would mean I'd get only the three PIP dice, and no PIP dump.

If I wanted to, I could have one command keep its baggage as Command baggage, and group the other two commands' baggage together as Army baggage, which would still be enough to create a baggage command and give me an extra PIP dice.

Perhaps if you told us what army you've been using, and we could describe some examples for it.

landmeister

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2007, 11:18:13 AM »
Oooops! Sorry, I misunderstood you  ;D

Thank you for the info.

arvnranger

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2009, 10:46:50 PM »
Army baggage may be in the command of any non-allied general or may be in a train-only baggage command. In either case, all commands with no command baggage count the effects of army baggage.

P9 Baggage: ... Each general has 0-2 elements. An ally's must, and other general's can,
remain with him as Command Baggage. All other baggage is held in common as Army Baggage. Each non-allied
command without command baggage shares the effects of Army Baggage and it deploys in 1 of them.

[it] When you say "in" the command does this mean that if that command breaks then the army baggage is lost and all contributing commands take the ME loss? I can't derive that meaning from my reading the rules (and I presume I've missed something pivotal). The only thing I've found so far is that army baggage not organised into the single train-only command must deploy in the CinC's or a Sub's command's rectangle. It would appear that Army Baggage does not *have to* be in a separate, train-only command. I see the benefit of army baggage as elevating the break points for the contributing commands but should a contributing command be lost the ME losses to the army are that broken commands ME *not including* the army baggage effect. In light of Toby's msg I'm interested to know whether I've misconstrued this. If an army was organised with a train-only command of WWg and Art but no baggage, can that army still classify each non-allied generals baggage as army baggage?

MikeCampbell

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Re: Army Baggage losses
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2009, 11:50:29 PM »
Yes it means that - "in" has the simple English meaning of "in"!

if you choose to put your army baggage in a "regular" command (ie 1 with a general) and that command breaks, then the baggage is lost since it is part of a broken command.

This is one reason why army bagage is almost invariably put in a "Train" command without a general, and no it does not HAVE to be in such a command....but it is a good idea.

You could ahve a train command without baggage, but then any army baggage has to be in a single, "regular" command, and is lost if that command is lost.