(s) troops

[loki223]

My eyes are going buggy from trudging through this book....lol

Heres the question.

page 37 3rd from the last bullit.

-1 if any troops whose opponents are Superior (s) troops that score equal or more while either (a) shooting, or in close combat in their own bound and either (b) foot fighting foot or (c) mounted fighting any enemy.

Who's bound???

the "any troops" bound or the "(s)" troops bound???

example: LH (s) charge LH (o). the (o) roll a sum of 6 and the (s) roll a sum of 8. Do the (O) take a -1 or is it in the next bound that they would take the -1?

wow! depending on where you place the inflection while reading this it could be taken a few different ways. someone help please.

[loki223]

what would be the factors of PS (S) upslope (GH) against BD (I) charging in?

I came up with the PS as Having a 4 before rolling a die. is this correct?

[DaveMather]

The Ps(S) would be base factor 2

and as it is the Blades bound it (the Ps) would get a extra +1 for "any of its front edge upslope of all its opponents"

Given it a final factor before rolling the dice of 3

Not sure how you get the extra 1 from your example.

Grading does not come into play until after you have rolled the dice and compare totals.

So this combat is Blade 4 Ps 3

lets assume the Bd roll 1 
the Ps roll 2

its now Bd 5 Ps 5

Now grading

The Bd are I and take a -1 for I troops equal or less

They (Bd) also take a -1 for the Ps being (S) and their opponents being  (S)  have scored equal or more

So combat finishes after grading Bd 5-1-1 =3 Ps 5

The Bd recoil


Regards

David Mather


 
 

[DaveMather]

Heres the question.

page 37 3rd from the last bullit.

-1 if any troops whose opponents are Superior (s) troops that score equal or more while either (a) shooting, or in close combat in their own bound and either (b) foot fighting foot or (c) mounted fighting any enemy.

Who's bound???

the "any troops" bound or the "(s)" troops bound???

example: LH (s) charge LH (o). the (o) roll a sum of 6 and the (s) roll a sum of 8. Do the (O) take a -1 or is it in the next bound that they would take the -1?

wow! depending on where you place the inflection while reading this it could be taken a few different ways. someone help please.

Easiest to answer your example - I struggled with this sentence and used the QRS until I learned it

Its the LH(S) bound

The S have won 8-6

The O will take a -1 finishing up with 8-5 and flee as they have lost to LH of higher grade

Th O take a -1 because

-1 LH(O) whose opponents are {LH(S) that score equal or more (the LH(S) did 8-6) and are in their own bound (its the LH(S) bound) and are mounted (LH(S) are mounted)} 

or sixth box down on QRS

Regards


David Mather

[loki223]

thank you again.

I am sure there will be ore questions soon.

[Barritus]

With regard to grading factors, I don't bother to read the rules. I only look at the Quick Reference Chart near the back of the rules. I find that a lot simpler to read.

[Doug M.]

Unfortunately, in at least one instance, I think it is incorrect, or at least inconsistent with the body of the rules..  if only I could remember what it was.

Doug

[toby]

If you do find a situation where the QRS is inconsistent with the body of the rules, please let me know asap and I will update the version on the website and also let Caliver know. I had hoped it was OK as both Phil and I checked it before publication.

Thanks

Toby

[loki223]

are there any current changes to the original QRC?  I only have the one from the main rulebook and no errata as of yet.

[Aloysius the Gaul]

I think it's in the (S) ratings - I remember coming across it a few weeks ago but trying to figure it out made my head hurt!!

the rules have

-1 if any troops whose opponents are Superior (S) troops that score equal of more while either (a) shooting; or in close combat in their own bound and either (b)foot fighting foot or (c) mounted fighting any enemy

but the QRS section that appears to cover this has the -1 applying in an enemy bound??

[loki223]

which is it?

[Aloysius the Gaul]

Well I'm not sure I'm reading it right in the first place!!

but I always take the rulebook over a QRS unless the author fesses up otherwise.

[toby]

The -1 applies in the own bound of the opponents.

As I said Phil checked the QRS (repeatedly) and signed it off as exactly reflecting the rules. I just tried to convert his Barkerese into something that I could use as a checklist.

There are some other versions on the www.dbmm.org.uk website as well - I have no opinion as to their accuracy though.

[loki223]

ok

so the -1 is in the opponents of the (s) troops bound?

[Aloysius the Gaul]

OK - now I'm confused - the rules text states (to me at least) says the -1 applies in the bound of the troops who are fighting AGAINST the (S) troops - but Toby says that it applies in the bound OF the (S) troops.

If Toby is right then the wording in the rules is just crap  (sorry toby - I know you didn't write it)