Extra movement to line up

[landmeister]

Dear all,

On page 33 is said that this extra free movement can be made in either side's bound. Can my TZ-ed element line up and/or contact in enemy bound? I can save some PIPs in my next own bound in this way.
If so, can I choose the exact moment to do that? Immediately after being TZ-ed or at the end of the movement phase?

Thank you very much.

[toby]

I would have thought you could only use the extra free movement if you are already moving (it is extra movement after all).

The only time you are moving in your opponents bound is:
 if you have an outcome move, so for example if you pursue into another element you can slide to line up,
 if you are required to by the complex requirements to ensure that geometric ploys to not prevent contact.

[landmeister]

I would have thought you could only use the extra free movement if you are already moving (it is extra movement after all).

The only time you are moving in your opponents bound is:
 if you have an outcome move, so for example if you pursue into another element you can slide to line up,
 if you are required to by the complex requirements to ensure that geometric ploys to not prevent contact.

Well, this is what I was thinking about, but there is the word TZ-ed (is it really a word? ). A TZ-ed element can use this extra movement, and TZ-ed element are mainly TZ-ed in enemy bound. What I mean is, why TX-es elements are explicitly specified as abled to use this extra movement?

[toby]

You are frequently TZ-ed in your own bound as you are moving towards contact. It allows you to move sideways to conform to the enemy, or more importantly, if you have an 8 wide group coming towards the enemy at a slight angle, such that the ones on the far end are just out of range, the group, which is now TZ'ed, can wheel 80 paces to bring the ones at the end in.

[landmeister]

You are frequently TZ-ed in your own bound as you are moving towards contact. It allows you to move sideways to conform to the enemy, or more importantly, if you have an 8 wide group coming towards the enemy at a slight angle, such that the ones on the far end are just out of range, the group, which is now TZ'ed, can wheel 80 paces to bring the ones at the end in.

Yes, I agree. But I' thinking about a weirder situation previously described. Can I move to line up my element/group in an enemy bound? I understand your logic behind "extra movement" if I can't make a tactic/march move. I'm thinking about pursuing after winning a combat and then use the extra movement to line up, for example.

Thank you.

[toby]

Yes - I think you probably can do that to turn a contact into a valid contact. i would need to check the rules, but it would seem obvious that if you contact an enemy while pursuing, you should move to be able to fight next turn. All in my opinion though.

[landmeister]

I have a more interesting situation now. I have a three Pk column TZed by an enemy Cv on my left flank. All three element are TZed and is my bound. I want to contact such enemy Cv. Can I use the extra move BEFORE moving? I mean I use the extra 80p to line up opposite and then I charge using my normal move.

This wouldn't be possible in DBM unless you spend two PIP retinring two Pk and then another PIP for the last Pk charging. I can charge with the whole column with one only PIP now!!! 

[Platypus]

Hi,

You can use the extra 80p move in both your bound and the enemy bound. It doesn't specify when, so you can do it at anytime.

Note you can only use the extra movement to "line up". This is important as you can't use the extra move to contact enemy that you are not already in contact with.

Now as for your example, I can't be certain, as it depends if you can line up ONLY with a wheel/pivot and sideways shift, and the distance any element moves is 80p or less.

If so, sure, you can do it. But I'm thinking the rear element is going to have to swing around far more than 80p.

Hope this helps,

G^is,
JohnG

[landmeister]

Hi,

You can use the extra 80p move in both your bound and the enemy bound. It doesn't specify when, so you can do it at anytime.

Note you can only use the extra movement to "line up". This is important as you can't use the extra move to contact enemy that you are not already in contact with.

Ok. Thank you.

Now as for your example, I can't be certain, as it depends if you can line up ONLY with a wheel/pivot and sideways shift, and the distance any element moves is 80p or less.

If so, sure, you can do it. But I'm thinking the rear element is going to have to swing around far more than 80p.

In fact, this is what I suspected. I didn't measure the move distance of the rear element, but i would say it wouldn't be legal. I should move it backward spending 1 PIP and then lining up the others.

Thank you.