More Impetuous ?? :)

[Blathergut]

Hope you are bearing with this soul as he tries to learn this stuff!

1.  A group of 12 elements Bd(F) start as one group at deployment.  Since they are impetuous, they must either:
     a) be held by a halt (2PIP)
     b) each element must move towards visible enemy, each individually, no longer part of the group, and when they end movement, even though they look like they are still in a group, in actual fact each element must not be properly lined up with each other.

Yes?

2.  So then, the front 6 elements advance again into contact with enemy (Bd(O)) x 6.  They are in side contact with each other, as they were at start when they were in a group, and fighting enemy to front.

Are they now a group or are they now individual elements?

3.  One element of Bd(O) is recoiled or destroyed (but there is another Bd(O) on each side of the newly-made gap.  Must the victorious Bd(F) follow-up into/through the gap?  Or can it stand in place, and if it can stand in place, why?

4.  If the victorious element does follow-up, any other elements directly behind it in contact with it must also follow into/through the gap.  Yes?

Hope all this is not too obvious to you guys!   I very much appreciate the help!  Haven't found another soul in this part of the world (southern Ontario) who are up to trying these rules!

Dan T.

[Doug M.]

1.  A group of 12 elements Bd(F) start as one group at deployment.  Since they are impetuous, they must either:
     a) be held by a halt (2PIP)
     b) each element must move towards visible enemy, each individually, no longer part of the group, and when they end movement, even though they look like they are still in a group, in actual fact each element must not be properly lined up with each other.

Yes?

Hi Dan, ok, they may also move as a group. There is a distinction between being impetuous, and moving spontaneously. Impetuous elements - yep.. they qualify...  must either: move, or be halted - if you don't they must then make a spontaneous advance. so in your example above they have the option to move as per normal.

2.  So then, the front 6 elements advance again into contact with enemy (Bd(O)) x 6.  They are in side contact with each other, as they were at start when they were in a group, and fighting enemy to front.
Are they now a group or are they now individual elements?

If the Romans they contact are in a straight line, they will 'reform' the group when they make contact..

3.  One element of Bd(O) is recoiled or destroyed (but there is another Bd(O) on each side of the newly-made gap.  Must the victorious Bd(F) follow-up into/through the gap?  Or can it stand in place, and if it can stand in place, why?

The element winning the combat must 'follow-up' as it is an impetuous element, so it follows up into the gap.

4.  If the victorious element does follow-up, any other elements directly behind it in contact with it must also follow into/through the gap.  Yes?
Dan T.

I believe so, - I don't have my rules to hand, but I think this is correct.

Hope this helps

Doug

[toby]

Impetuosity is a reason why you may have to follow-up, but does not mean you automatically have to. Your Irr Bd(F) will follow up against Bd(O), but will not against LH(F) as foot never follow up against mounted.

Toby

[Doug M.]

Yes, sorry I should have expanded, they will follow up because in the example given (vs Bd(O)) they are impetuous troops, and impetuous Bd(F) troops will follow up vs Bd -

cheers

[bunwin63]

even though they look like they are still in a group,

Unless they contact the romans, they won't look like a group either, as you have to move elements 5p (or is it 10p?) so that they aren't in a group. In practice this means that every second element will be slightly ahead/behind it's neighbour