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Brian:
Hi There,
 I am well out of touch with 'MM' but as they seem to be about to hit the press I would be most interested in reading any comments on the Scots under 'MM'.

I have been using a 1457 AD list (with Highland & Isles Allies maxed  out) under DBM 3.1 rules.
I like the bow,blade,pike combo supported by the max Kn(I) & cartis of weire at about 100 EE.

My big moan was that Irreg. Pike (I) cost the same as Reg Pike (I).
Any change in 'MM' ?

Brian
Christcurch
New Zealand

toby:
Nope - still the same price I'm afraid.

From memories of people discussing test battles on the DBMMList long ago, they were being absolutely slaughtered by the English bowmen, but S shooting factors have changed since then (at one point they were like machine guns) and that was felt to be a historical result anyway.

The Scots will preseumably get Hidden Obstacles now in their list, which you can secretly deploy in front of troops. They are shown when enemy cross them and they count as being in difficult going for the subsequent combat. I know the Marian Romans used them against Dave' Mather's Hittite Kn chariots in one of the test games and made a bit of a mess of the chariots.

The Irr Pk(I) and Irr Bw(I) will now only count as 0.5 ME (Morale Equivalent), while Kn will count as 2 ME (and a general as 4 ME), so you can afford to lose a lot more Pk and Bw before the command demoralises so long as the Kn are still intact. It encourages you to throw away the peasants but preserve the nobles!

Toby

Doug M.:
I was one of those who made lots of noise about the interaction between Scots Pike and English (Welsh) Longbowmne, principally because other than on one occasion when the Scots stood and were shot down over an extended period, whenever they actually attacked they ALWAYS made contact. Something which couldn't be done (or was very unlikely) under DBMM when the Longbowmen were +2 for superior.

When they did make contact, in the earlier period dismounted MAA and later Billmen were then able to cope with disordered Pike fighting uphill.

In addition, no allowance was made for the terrain effects which were universal, ie English uphill, or mud, or a ravine getting in the way. Instead Phil seemed to be concerned to get the interaction so that even small numbers of Bw could shoot down masses of Pikemen even in the flat in the open.

I haven't replayed the interaction with only +1 but it seems to me it would give a much more realistic outcome.

regards

Doug M.

Doug M.:
Oh, and I think there should be an option to upgrade Scots Pike in certain periods, (under Bruce and in the later periods in France and when they had been raised for a lengthy capaign) from irregular to regular. There is certainly evidence of different behaviour when they have the discipline to manouevre as at Bannockburn or mount rapid attacks as at later battles, as opposed to the primitive spearmen who stood under arrow storms in the earlier period.

regards

Doug

tadamson:
The evidence we have for the armies in France is that they didn't have 'pikemen' (I hate that daft DBMisim).

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