A QRS for Pips

[landmeister]

Not Naval only single land elements.  Not train only single elements of Exp and WWg.

Yes, you're right again.

Just one more thing. I think we should distinguish between Line to column straight ahead and Line to column not straight ahead. An additional PIP for groups should be added if the column is not completed in one only step.

[vexillia]

I've added a line for columns:



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[vexillia]

Just one more thing. I think we should distinguish between Line to column straight ahead and Line to column not straight ahead. An additional PIP for groups should be added if the column is not completed in one only step.

Thinking ;-)

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[vexillia]

Just one more thing. I think we should distinguish between Line to column straight ahead and Line to column not straight ahead.

They are the same aren't they?  It's only a difficult evolution for regulars if less than a full move, which we cover.  For irregulars it's inept even if a full because both the straight ahead or the 90 move involves elements moving other than straight ahead.

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[vexillia]

An additional PIP for groups should be added if the column is not completed in one only step.

I don't think it's that simple.  I think it's the same pips as the first move into column.

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[landmeister]

Your two last messages raise a question to me. Now columns can only be formed straight ahead or turning 90? without being finished. I mean that we cannot make columns as per figure 4b in DBM.

Does a column formed in one only step pay one more PIP for being "a group other than a column wheeling"? It is not a column when the move begins, and the head element is wheeling as it is advancing up to its full move. 

[vexillia]

Does a column formed in one only step pay one more PIP for being "a group other than a column wheeling"?

Perhaps not as the original group is not actually wheeling.  With a  wheel the group shape must stay the same and it requires one corner to remain in place: neither happens in column formation.

It is not a column when the move begins, and the head element is wheeling as it is advancing up to its full move.

The logic here is bit twisted.  If it's not a column then there can't be a "head element".  If it has a "head element" it is a column. 

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[landmeister]

Ok. You convinced me  .

I think we finally got it. Just curiosity. Could we ask the Phil to include it in the next version of the rules?

[vexillia]

I think we finally got it.

Yes I think so too.  The only thing that's missing now is an answer to the question "how do you know whether column formation has involved a full move".  I've raised this on the Yahoo! DBMMlist as well.

Could we ask the Phil to include it in the next version of the rules?

I doubt it.  You go ahead.

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[vexillia]

Blog article posted - http://vexillia.blogspot.com/2008/08/dbmm-for-befuddled-part-6.html

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[landmeister]

The only thing that's missing now is an answer to the question "how do you know whether column formation has involved a full move".  I've raised this on the Yahoo! DBMMlist as well.

Please, don't forget to include the answer in this forum! 

[MikeCampbell]

Um.....surely the answer is if the lead element moves the full distance allowed then it has made a full move - and if it hasn't then it hasn't?

[landmeister]

Um.....surely the answer is if the lead element moves the full distance allowed then it has made a full move - and if it hasn't then it hasn't?

This is how we're playing it so far.

[vexillia]

Um.....surely the answer is if the lead element moves the full distance allowed then it has made a full move - and if it hasn't then it hasn't?

Not as written.  If you lead with an "internal" element then its move, full or otherwise, is not covered by the rules which only refer to the group's  front corners and because an "internal" element forms neither corner.

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[landmeister]

Martin,

We forgot one case! An disheartened irregular group (other than lights, generals, etc.) turning 180? and wheeling less than its full move pays 4 pips.  .

Any idea of how could we put it in the grid?