Some Book 2 errata

[Barritus]

Galatians - list 30:
1. The number of Cv (I) mounted attendants is in proportion to the number of "Cv (O)" in the list. Which Cv (O) are counted? Galatian Cv obviously, but what about the Cv (O) chariots and the Cv (O) Thessalian and Aenianians?

2. The number of Thessalian and Aeinianian followers is in proportion to the "leader and nobles". As the Greek ally general is optional, if you were to assign the Greek nobles and followers to a Galatian command, would you count the Galatian general as a "leader" for the purposes of calculating the number of available followers?

[Barritus]

Early Armenia and Gordyene: Aggression for both these armies is 1, except for a period in the 1st century BC when it's 3. However, as that period corresponds to the empire of Tigranes of Armenia, should Gordyene retain Ag 1 throughout?

[Swampster]

During that period Gordyene should probably only be an ally of Armenia - after all its king is one of Tigranes' poodles - "accompanied by 4 panting subservient kings on foot" .
They offered their support to Luculllus but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of what he received if they gave any manpower - seems more like supplies and money. Soon after, the Romans handed Gordyene back to Tigranes.

[Barritus]

Alexandrian Imperial: Okay, another case of not necessarily an errata but desire for clarification...

If the army is commanded by the King or the Regent, you get 4 to 8 Pk (S), the Hypaspists/Argyraspids. From 324BC to 323BC you can regrade 1/2 to 3/4 of them to a mix of Bw (X) and Bw (S). So, if I've got this right, no matter how many you get, you've always got to have some of them unconverted as Pk (S). But pike are best in four ranks, so in order to have four pike, you have to buy all eight elements, then convert only half of them to the Bw (X/S) combo. Otherwise you're left with a remnant of pike elements, which are a bit on the vulnerable side.

[Orcoteuthis]

That would appear to be correct.

It's even worse in DBMM 2, where you, if led by Big Al himself, you must have 2 Pk (S) and one Bw (X/S) DBE.

[Barritus]

DBMM 2?

What do you mean?

DBMM 200?

[Orcoteuthis]

Meant DBMM 200, yes. Dunno what happened to the zeroes.

[Barritus]

- Classical Indian, Mauryan options: The list says that you can upgrade "All or None" of the Bge to Regular @ +1AP. What about the Bge (S) element? Does it have to be upgraded too? If so, the upgrade cost is wrong. If not, the "All or None" requirement is wrong. Which is it?

[Orcoteuthis]

- Classical Indian, Mauryan options: The list says that you can upgrade "All or None" of the Bge to Regular @ +1AP. What about the Bge (S) element? Does it have to be upgraded too? If so, the upgrade cost is wrong. If not, the "All or None" requirement is wrong. Which is it?

FWIW, when this was raised on the Yahoo list a while ago, Duncan Head opined that the upgrade shouldn't apply to the Bge (S).

[Barritus]

Another presumed erratum for the SRBs:

The Strathclyde option for the army allows you to upgrade 1 Bge (O) or (F) to (S) as praying monks. I assume now that V2 separates Bge (S) from the 0-2 Bge elements per command that the Strathclyders should be allowed one element of spiritual sustenance in addition to the two elements of physical sustenance per command.

[Barritus]

Chiang and Ti: Not so much an erratum as a clarification...

The main list provides for Ax (O) and Ax (S). If using the Former Chin option, you can convert some of the Ti troops to Chinese, including optionally classifying some as Ax (O)

The main list provides archers which can be Bw (I) or Ps (O). If Ps (O), they are specified as being able to support Ax.

Does this mean the Ti archers can support Chinese Ax (O)? Logically I'd say no, but the wording suggests yes.

[Barritus]

Three Kingdoms and Western Ts'in Chinese: How was the cost of the Temporary Towers calculated?

The list says they cost 12AP, which appears to be 2AP for a TF section +1AP for being the outside wall of a raised tower, all multiplied by 4 for the 4 walls.

The problems:

1. The +1 cost applies only to PF and isn't available to TF.

2. A gatway isn't included in the cost, although the second last sentence of the first paragraph of Fortifications on p 11 says:

An isolated tower must have 1 gateway.

There's nothing there to indicate the requirement applies only to PF towers.

[Barritus]

Marian Roman: The restrictions on the generals are a bit on the vague side, to the extent that it's possible to assemble some fairly unhistorical combinations. For example, Julius Caesar is available as a Brilliant General from 58BC to 45BC, with no geographic restrictions. This means that it's possible to field a Marian Roman army with JC in charge and with Later Pre-Islamic Arab allies, even though they're only available until 53BC, at a time we know JC was in Gaul.

Now I realise that tightening this up might be impractical, but I thought it worth mentioning in case someone felt it was important enough to pursue.

[Barritus]

Paekche and Kaya Korean: Under the Japanese Kofun Culture allies section, there's an entry for Uji nobles, toneri and yatsuko retainers as Irr Pk (X). The problem is the number:

1 to 2-3 Bw (S)

Based on looking at the Pre-Samurai Japanese list, it should probably read "1-2 per 3".

Interestingly, though, the Pk (X) numbers in the allies to the Paekche list are based on Bw (S) numbers, while in the PSJ list, the Pk (X) numbers are based on the total number of Bw.

[Barritus]

Another issue of clarification, and again for my old mates the Sub Roman British.

Armoricans prior to 580 can have Frankish and Alan allies. The Frankish allies are the Early Frankish list, and are available from 485. But the Early Frankish list ends in 496, so presumably these allies are available only from 485 to 496. Or should the option of Middle Frankish be available from 496 to 580?