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MikeEgglestone

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Spontaneous at table edge
« on: April 10, 2009, 10:52:06 AM »
Hello all,

Played an interesting and enjoyable game (Normas v Vikings) earlier in the week. During the course of the game a single line group of Norman Knights went spontaneous which ended up with elements having to reduce their moves by 5-10p as dictated by the rule on Page 30. However upon reaching the table back edge does this stepped back group automacially align its frontage to become a "corner to corner" group again. The rule says "unless its front edge contacts enemy or will overlap" I guess thaT answers my question (or does it  ???) but just wanted to get other views. As, if the stepped back elements (those still 5-10p back) spontaneous advance in the bound after the front elements reached the edge they would end in a corner to corner group again. This of course makes command and control much more likely.

Regards

Mike

PS - just cant help but gloat. A single element of my Viking Irr Cv(i) scouts, overlapped and in front combat with Norman Knights beat both after first destroying the one in front edge contact. When in doubt throw a 6 v1.  ;D

Barritus

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Re: Spontaneous at table edge
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2009, 01:06:51 PM »
Hello all,

Played an interesting and enjoyable game (Normas v Vikings) earlier in the week. During the course of the game a single line group of Norman Knights went spontaneous which ended up with elements having to reduce their moves by 5-10p as dictated by the rule on Page 30. However upon reaching the table back edge does this stepped back group automacially align its frontage to become a "corner to corner" group again. The rule says "unless its front edge contacts enemy or will overlap" I guess thaT answers my question (or does it  ???) but just wanted to get other views. As, if the stepped back elements (those still 5-10p back) spontaneous advance in the bound after the front elements reached the edge they would end in a corner to corner group again. This of course makes command and control much more likely.

It's a good question, which is why I've had a bit of a think about it before answering.

If I was asked to rule on this situation, I'd say the Kn stay staggered. The logic stream for me is as follows:

They're impetuous > they must make an impetuous move unless none of the required moves is possible > required moves in this situation involve moving straight ahead to the table edge > but the move must stop 5-10 paces short unless ending in contact with or overlap of enemy.

The last condition doesn't apply (not in contact), so they must remain 5-10 paces short of the neighbouring elements. They're still impetuous, and they're still required to move; it's just that because of the last condition, the distance they move is 0 paces.

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PS - just cant help but gloat. A single element of my Viking Irr Cv(i) scouts, overlapped and in front combat with Norman Knights beat both after first destroying the one in front edge contact. When in doubt throw a 6 v1.  ;D

A rule to live by. :-)

MikeEgglestone

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Re: Spontaneous at table edge
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2009, 04:58:07 PM »
Thanks for getting back. We left them in postion at the table edge also - but only because neither of us were entirely sure what to do.  :-\

Regards

Mike

Barritus

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Re: Spontaneous at table edge
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 03:51:09 PM »
Your opponent presumably never got the PIPs to move them? A bit strange - surely they'd have been useful somewhere else.

Tim Child

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Re: Spontaneous at table edge
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 11:52:18 PM »
At 2 PIPs (3 if out of command range) per element to re-direct them, by the time that impetuous elements hit the back edge it's often to late to worry about them and there are better things to do with those PIPs.  The game may well be over by the time they get back into the fray.

Tim Child

Valentinian Victor

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Re: Spontaneous at table edge
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 08:51:21 AM »
In my practice game at the Challenge, using my Gepids against Peter Haines Late Romans, I had nothing facing my left wing and center commands so I let them go sponno just for the hell of it! Both commands had to move straight forward towards Peters table edge and even the large Warband command reached that side of the table before the game ended. We decided that the only thing they could do then was to either spend pips to move toward the right flank, or head spontaneously towards Peters camp, which most of them did, I just halted a small group with the intention of moving them towards the Romans.

MikeEgglestone

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Re: Spontaneous at table edge
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2009, 10:30:59 PM »
My opponent, for reasons best known to himself, only had two commands (350pts army). The chance of him having PIPS to spend on the group stuck on the table edge vapourised as soon as combats started. As in Lord of the Rings "his eye was elsewhere".

Regards

Mike