Adjusting contact

[landmeister]

Let me retake the example image of my other previous thread dedicated to pursuers and change the context. I'm talking about this one:



Let's assume that my grey elephant element pursued and finished as it's shown. Now according to p.33, at the end of the bound this contact must be adjusted. As it is a contact on a single element flank, the enemy must line up front corner to front corner to my elephant's flank. My question is can my opponent choose to adjust as a single element or as a group?. Certainly one only element is in real contact but it belongs to a group. Should he break up his group to line up or could he move it all sideways? This is of a maximum importance because my elephant could ens overlapped or not depending on his decission.

Any suggestions?

[LAP1964]

I think you also need to look at P.42,pursuing elements.
LES

[landmeister]

And this is why I opened this thread  . According to page 42, elements must line up as per page 33. And on page 33 we can read that if an enemy front edge is contacting a single element's flank, it must line up. My question is, can my opponent choose line up the whole group or just the element in contact?

[foxgom]

Hi

P33 EMTLU

an element or group in contact.....


sounds like the group can line up

and Fig 9a on P54 conforms this.

neil

[landmeister]

Yes, I agree. If the contact is between single elements, they line up. If it is a group, the group must line up if possible. Only in case the whole group could not line up, the contacted element should. I'm thinking about contacting in such an angle that the whole group cound not use EMTLU due to be further than 80p.

Thank you again, Neil. 

[LAP1964]

The problem i have with this,is where would the Els pursuit stop?
Looking on page 42 1st paragraph (c),would suggest it stops on 1st contact.So would this be a legal contact for combat and lining up to occur ?If the answer is no maybe they would have to contact as single elements(page 28).
Any thoughts?
LES 

[landmeister]

The problem i have with this,is where would the Els pursuit stop?
Looking on page 42 1st paragraph (c),would suggest it stops on 1st contact.So would this be a legal contact for combat and lining up to occur ?If the answer is no maybe they would have to contact as single elements(page 28).
Any thoughts?

This was one of my first thoughts, but Then I saw that nothing indicates choosing when to stop could be very cheese. If the elephant stops after having touched just 1 mm of the enemy front, then the EMTLU cannot be used because of the other corner being more than 80 p away. Certainly nothing stops you making this, but at least it is reduced to a very few cases. Remember that the EMTLU can be only used when the move is voluntary, so this situation can only happen when you voluntarily decide to pursue. 

[lorenzomele]

The problem i have with this,is where would the Els pursuit stop?
Looking on page 42 1st paragraph (c),would suggest it stops on 1st contact.So would this be a legal contact for combat and lining up to occur ?If the answer is no maybe they would have to contact as single elements(page 28).
Any thoughts?
LES 

The Elephant pursues and hit enemy group by side edge. This is normally not allowed with a voluntarily move, but pursuit is an outcome move.
The enemy group will then conform on the El edge. The El will turn and resolve combat just in the opponent following bound in phase 4.

[landmeister]

The Elephant pursues and hit enemy group by side edge. This is normally not allowed with a voluntarily move, but pursuit is an outcome move.
The enemy group will then conform on the El edge. The El will turn and resolve combat just in the opponent following bound in phase 4.

I agree. The word "voluntarily" is the key factor.