Author Topic: Beta graph for sponno moves  (Read 8319 times)

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vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2010, 05:53:30 PM »
I think there may be an error in the latest version.  Can you spot it?

landmeister

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2010, 06:53:41 PM »
The use if them in DBMM makes me think the rules must be complicated.

It depends on what you consider complicated.  ;D I would say complex instead of complicated  ;)

To me they create a bad impression on any newcomer.

I agree, but I created it more to understant the whole process better than to show it to beginners. Certainly I wouldn't show it to a newcomer the first day. I would wait for some days... ;D IMHO, charts like this are very useful once you're trying to take the game in depth, as is my case.  ::)

landmeister

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2010, 07:00:16 PM »
I think there may be an error in the latest version.  Can you spot it?

Apparently, it's correct right now. I can't see any error, but I'll check it in detail.

BTW, I read in your blog that you definitely left DBMM. A real pity, your help in this case is extremely appreciated. ;) Thank you Martin.

vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2010, 09:22:01 PM »
BTW, I read in your blog that you definitely left DBMM.

I have but I saw your efforts and decided to help a friend.

vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2010, 08:53:45 AM »
Update with aligned logic:

« Last Edit: November 25, 2010, 08:59:09 AM by vexillia »

landmeister

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2010, 09:23:47 AM »
Great! Thank you.

Just curiosity, what is "aligned logic"?

vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2010, 10:04:16 AM »
Just curiosity, what is "aligned logic"?

All the "Yes" answers move you down and all "No" answers move you to the right.

landmeister

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2010, 11:54:29 AM »
All the "Yes" answers move you down and all "No" answers move you to the right.

I see. Thanks.

vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2010, 02:06:39 PM »
I'm going to post this on my blog, before I do is everyone happy that the last version is correct?  Lawrence?

LawrenceG

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2010, 02:41:22 PM »
I'm going to post this on my blog, before I do is everyone happy that the last version is correct?  Lawrence?

The logic looks correct although I would be tempted to swap the "end closer to enemy rear edge" with "move parallel to rear edge". That way the most common situation is a straight path down the page.

vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2010, 03:26:37 PM »
The logic looks correct although I would be tempted to swap the "end closer to enemy rear edge" with "move parallel to rear edge". That way the most common situation is a straight path down the page.

OK.  Will do.

vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2010, 03:43:53 PM »
I also have some diagrams that I'd like to post - http://bit.ly/fdjA1y - anyone spot anything wrong with them?

Before you ask the diagrams were done before v2.0 was finalised and have been lying around ever since.  I thought I may as well publish them at the same time as the flow chart.

LawrenceG

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2010, 04:49:04 PM »
I also have some diagrams that I'd like to post - http://bit.ly/fdjA1y - anyone spot anything wrong with them?

Before you ask the diagrams were done before v2.0 was finalised and have been lying around ever since.  I thought I may as well publish them at the same time as the flow chart.

example 1 OK
2nd example, [3] is illegal, must move as a column if possible.
example 3 OK
example 4 [3] is the only legal move, as you can see from your flow chart (straight ahead ends closer to enemy, so bullets not considered)
example 5 OK
example 6 OK
example 7 OK but [3] illegal also because straight ahead takes precedence. Therefore it would still be illegal if X started further back along the same path, where it was fully behind the extended rear edge.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2010, 04:59:51 PM by LawrenceG »

vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2010, 05:23:21 PM »
Wow 5 out of 7 OK!  

I see what you mean about #2 and #3 - the flowchart was useful after all.  As for #7 you make an interesting point - I will change the text.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2010, 06:00:35 PM by vexillia »

vexillia

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Re: Beta graph for sponno moves
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2010, 05:56:36 PM »
As I was editing #7 in the original document I realised that I'd already reached the same conclusion but never uploaded a newer version.  The final version on my PC also has examples #8 & #9 and example numbers.

Try this version - http://bit.ly/h0Nxp4