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honk16

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80 p extra move, voluntarily right or left?
« on: August 29, 2008, 05:14:50 PM »
Hi,

I hit a column of cv  4 deep in front with sp and in flank with pk, 2 wide.

My flanking pike made some contact with the 3 leading cv.

looked like the picture below.

Question:

Do I have the option to use the pip free 80 p to slide to the right far enough to make front corner contact with the first cv in the column (resulting in a fight with - 1 for him, but no turn of the two following cv, as neither of those has full flank contact with the front of ONE of my pikes) as the figures stand,
or may I instead slide to make front corner contact with the second cv in the column (As the black rectangles show), thus both:
have legal flank contact with the first cv for -1 and kill if less and make the second cv turn to flank to fight my left hand pk (and giving the first cv another -1 for unable to recoil).

The whole question is: is it my option which direction and how far to slide with the 80 p?

Small difference, big outcome.

I canot find an answer in the rules and this forum, sorry, if the question has been asked before!

Tilman
« Last Edit: August 29, 2008, 05:21:20 PM by honk16 »

landmeister

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Re: 80 p extra move, voluntarily right or left?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 11:34:25 AM »
Hi Tilman,

Second option in this case as you cannot choose. Moving the whole Pk group leftwards men is not posible because of the presence of your friend. You cannot move them away. So you can only move rightwards, as is shown in your diagram. Your left Pk elements will legally contact the flank of Cv 2 and 3, so both of them will turn to fight and you will have to make room. Your right Pk will not be contacting the 1st Cv front corner to front corner, but at least ill be contacting its whole flank, so the Cv will a -1 (unable to recoil) and will die if beaten (flanked by an enemy element).

If your friends hadn't been so close, you would have been able to choose direction.  ;)

I hope it helps.

honk16

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Re: 80 p extra move, voluntarily right or left?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2008, 08:07:52 PM »
hmmm,
thanks for the answer, but obviously the picture (and my question) was not all that clear...

I can not slide the pk (2 wide, 2 deep) to the left, because of the lone enemy lc still fighting there against more pk of mine, sure.

When I hit the cv in flank, I did not conform to any corners and none of the cv hat all of his front contacted by a single element of mine...

So I slid far enough to the right to make front corner to front corner contact with the formemost cv (Fighting frontaly against my sp) thus giving him -1 and a qk. this is the position, i photografed.

My noble oponent held, that as I by this position, cv Nr. 2 was contacted on his full flank, but by 2 different oponents, he was not legaly contacted and thus did not have to turn, cv Nr. 3 was not even contacted on his whole flank.

The solution would have been to slide further to the right (the position I marked with the rectangles) in order to contact cv nr. 1 with the whole flank of the rightmost pk and cv. nr. 2 would be legaly contacted by the left pk (and only by him) making front corner contact, and thus cv. nr. 2 (and 3, contacted partialy by left pk too) would have to turn (in column).

thus the question to me remains, did I have to stop my slide to the right in the first legal position (for the right pk column) in corner contact with cv 1 or could I voluntarily slide further to the right until the left pk would make front corner contact with cv 2....

(I did not even find, that the pk back ranks may slide to, as they themselves did not make physical contact and where not in tz either....)

Still confused

Tilman

landmeister

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Re: 80 p extra move, voluntarily right or left?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2008, 09:12:47 PM »
thus the question to me remains, did I have to stop my slide to the right in the first legal position (for the right pk column) in corner contact with cv 1 or could I voluntarily slide further to the right until the left pk would make front corner contact with cv 2....

(I did not even find, that the pk back ranks may slide to, as they themselves did not make physical contact and where not in tz either....)

Hi again,
A very interesting question. I can't find any rules defining who and when you must slide. Rules on page 33 say that a contacting GROUP (so you can include your rear ranks) must slide until legal contact. No more specifications (to my knowledge), so you can choose.  ;)

Hope it helps.

MikeCampbell

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Re: 80 p extra move, voluntarily right or left?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2008, 10:53:33 PM »
I agree - if there are several positions where you can line up then you get to choose which you take.

Basically you don't want to get hit in the flank - it might not quite as bad as the ol' DBM rules, but it's still nasty enough!!

andrew

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Re: 80 p extra move, voluntarily right or left?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 11:45:56 AM »
I agree you can choose - you choose for the left Pk to be in legal contact, Cav 2 & 3 turn to face (can't recoil and overlapped but you probably remove an overlap on the LH element by pushing your other Pk back) and right Pk still inflicts a -1 on Cav1 because you have contacted the full flank and made a legal flank contact (see page 37).  The contact from both Pk as you have indicated with your blank rectangles are legal contacts.

Andrew