Crossing rivers

[Valentinian Victor]

I had an interesting question come up yesterday whilst playing a game.
I placed a 35p wide river that ended up being in spate, therefore it was classed as difficult terrain for all troop types.
I had several groups up against the river line waiting to cross over.
However, when I attempted to cross it by wading, we could not find a specific rule that gave us the information how to do this other than you have to be between 45 and 90 degrees to the flow of the river before crossing.
So, my question is, how is the crossing performed? My opponent felt that you could not cross as a group, unless in column, only in single elements.
Can any one help?

[MikeCampbell]

Page 29, last para above Move distances -

A group must be in or into a column if:....

• Entering or ending the move in difficult going, unless the group is entirely Psiloi or it moves into close combat with enemy any of whom are visible at the start of the move

so crossing a difficult river must be in column unless one of the exceptions from that point applies.

[Valentinian Victor]

Thanks for that Mike.
Another river question for you-
I have a group of Bw at the edge of a river that is less than 80p across (the river is 35mm at its largest part). The river is in spate so is considered difficult terrain to cross, so the Bw move is 80p across the river either in column or in single elements.
Can the Bw shoot after crossing the river during the bound, or are they considered to still be wading although they are no longer in the river itself, taking into account that movement is considered to take place right through the bound itself?

[toby]

If they are out of the river when they come to shoot then they can shoot. There is no 'memory' in DBMM - except for Art(S)

Don't forget that wading troops are impetuous....

Rivers in spate are difficult going, otherwise they are good going.

[Valentinian Victor]

I thought that rivers less than 80p across are rough terrain for foot, and difficult for mounted, and rivers 80p or more wide are difficult for foot and rough for mounted?

[william]

If they are out of the river when they come to shoot then they can shoot. There is no 'memory' in DBMM - except for Art(S)

  Sorry to but in Toby but mounted and train that arrive on Impressed shipping also have short term memories

William

[MikeCampbell]

I thought that rivers less than 80p across are rough terrain for foot, and difficult for mounted, and rivers 80p or more wide are difficult for foot and rough for mounted?

Yeah but it was in spate - so therefore difficult for everyone

[Valentinian Victor]

I was pointing out to Toby that rivers are not good going to mounted at any time.

[toby]

My mistake - should read these rules at some point.

Don't forget the spontaneous wading though.