choosing terrain?

[loki223]

(1) The invader chooses and declares 0-2 FE of any permited types except BUA.  (These are chosen from the defenders list fo terrain or from the invaders list fo terrain)

(2) THe Defender then chooses and declares 2-4 FE of any permitted type, Plus 0-2 of the Invaders FE not used, but must include at least 1 FE of each compulsory type. (the 0-2 of the Invaders FE, is this the same one that the invader laid out or are they from the invaders list? alsodo the compulsory types count against the defenders 2-4 FE?)

[DaveMather]

(1) The invader chooses and declares 0-2 FE of any permited types except BUA.  (These are chosen from the defenders list fo terrain or from the invaders list fo terrain)

The defenders - - the invader has invaded the defenders "country" so all terrain is drawn from the defenders list

(2) THe Defender then chooses and declares 2-4 FE of any permitted type, Plus 0-2 of the Invaders FE not used, but must include at least 1 FE of each compulsory type. (the 0-2 of the Invaders FE, is this the same one that the invader laid out or are they from the invaders list? alsodo the compulsory types count against the defenders 2-4 FE?)

Hopefully the answer above clears up part of this question

If the invader only choses 1 FE for example a 1 FE Wood then the defender would be able to choose 2-5FE - they must always pick 2FE as a minimum but in this example could pick 5 (4+1FE that the invader didnt use)
   
Yes compulsory terrain chosen by the defender counts towards the defenders 2-4.(but does not increase it)


Regards

David Mather

[loki223]

ok. got it...wow I really missread that one.

thanks

[DaveMather]

ok. got it...wow I really missread that one.

thanks

You are the second person I know who has made that mistake -

[Barritus]

Loki223

Have you played DBM, DBR or DBA?

If so, most of the concepts in DBMM are at least within shouting distance of earlier DBx concepts. There shouldn't be anything way out there.

If not, are there any clubs in your region where you could watch others playing the game? The best way to pick up a lot of the concepts in DBMM is to watch others and ask questions as they play.

[loki223]

I have a 2 buddies that played and are the ones responsible for getting me into this...so i bought the DBMM rule book and Usually (with other games systems)i can read the rules and get a concept of the game play before i start playing. But this has not been so simple. I an another buddy set out 2 armies and the rule book(after having read through it), and tried to crawl through a game going step by step. Both of us experienced wargamers from other systems. We didnt get past deployment. when we started trying to figure out the initial movement who gets +1 and -1 for moves gave us both a headache. After clearly mucking it up for the better part of 3 hours. we gave up. Part way through another buddy who has played 3.1 came in and Kibbitzed a bit, but then he got stumped after reading some of the new deployment stuff, and we gave up.  So i went in search of a forum with people that have some idea of what is going on. Here in my area i have the first book. it just released here, I think, becouse no else has it. we are breaking new ground in this area.

[Barritus]

Aaaah! :-)

The My Bound/Your Bound stuff still causes us problems. The Quick Reference Sheet at the back of the rules is some help.

A very general rule of thumb is that a lot of troops only get Quick Kills in their owner's bound, but most troops only get rear rank support in the other guy's bound.

May I suggest that if you don't have anyone experienced to show you the rules, that you start with literally a couple of elements each, and work up from there to 100 point games, then 200 point games, and so on. Also, read lots of battle reports, as they'll give you clues as well.

[loki223]

thanks,,i hadnt thought about the battle reports. thats a good idea. I made not of the owner bound QK and DEF bound RS. thats a good note...THanks you for the insite.  I will be keeping the QRS in hand though out the game...we may try again this weekend or just wait till we can get more copies for everyone to read..lol

[Klairuhnz]

Had my frist game with the new rules, we where undecided about the following point
The rules say that "No player can choose more than one 2 FE of each type, or more than two non-compulsory features of the same type, or more than three 1/2 FE sized featurtes ".
Does this mean a player could pick 4 [GH] as these a 1/2 FE so only equals 2FE or a max of 3 as the way I would read it.

[DaveMather]

Had my frist game with the new rules, we where undecided about the following point
The rules say that "No player can choose more than one 2 FE of each type,

This means you can only pick one 2 FE of each type of terrain - eg only 1 2FE GH - but you could then pick a 2FE M for instance (assuming you are the defender and they are in you list of course)

or more than two non-compulsory features of the same type,

This means of same type (not related to size) so only 2 GHs, 

so carrying on from above you could pick 1 x 2FE GH, 1 x 1FE GH, 1 x 1FE M

or more than three 1/2 FE sized featurtes ".

This means you can pick no more than 3 1/2 FE sized features regardless of type

so carrying on from above you could pick 1 x 2FE GH, 1 x 1/2FE GH, 2 x 1/2 FE M (this gives you a total of 3 1/2FE but you will not be able to pick another 1/2 FE coz you already have 3)

Does this mean a player could pick 4 [GH] No - as these a 1/2 FE so only equals 2FE or a max of 3 as the way I would read it.

Hope that clears it up

David Mather

[Klairuhnz]

That helps a lots thank you

[toby]

Had my frist game with the new rules, we where undecided about the following point
The rules say that "No player can choose more than one 2 FE of each type,

This means you can only pick one 2 FE of each type of terrain - eg only 1 2FE GH - but you could then pick a 2FE M for instance (assuming you are the defender and they are in you list of course)

or more than two non-compulsory features of the same type,

This means of same type (not related to size) so only 2 GHs, 

so carrying on from above you could pick 1 x 2FE GH, 1 x 1FE GH, 1 x 1FE M

or more than three 1/2 FE sized featurtes ".

This means you can pick no more than 3 1/2 FE sized features regardless of type

so carrying on from above you could pick 1 x 2FE GH, 1 x 1/2FE GH, 2 x 1/2 FE M (this gives you a total of 3 1/2FE but you will not be able to pick another 1/2 FE coz you already have 3)

Does this mean a player could pick 4 [GH] No - as these a 1/2 FE so only equals 2FE or a max of 3 as the way I would read it.

Hope that clears it up

David Mather

I'm not sure about this - it says 1/2 FE sized features. 1 FE sized GH count as 1/2 FE, but they are still not 1/2 FE sized so I am not sure if they count against the 3 1/2 FE sized features limit?

[Aloysius the Gaul]

Or you can say that GH and F features are 1/2 FE sized if they fit into a rectangle 800p x 600p - good question - have you asked it on the DBMM mailing list?

[DaveMather]

Or you can say that GH and F features are 1/2 FE sized if they fit into a rectangle 800p x 600p - good question - have you asked it on the DBMM mailing list?

Do not believe so its the cost of a 1FE GH that is halved - this is not the same as its size - cost is in bold to emphasise that point

so a 1 FE GH will count as a 1 FE for size eg not towards then 3 1/2  FE size restriction but
will count as 1/2 FE for the purposes of 0-2 FE for invader or 2-4 FE for defender

to continue with example an invader could pick

2 x 1 FE GH and 2 x 1/2 FE M

Regards David Mather

[DaveMather]

Yes its discarded/lost  eg not placed

If it cant fit based on the dice roll its gone

You can use this is if you wish to restrict terrain -

eg I have a mounted army and are the invader and seek to minimise terrain

My opponent places the 5 on his left - I place my 6 on the same flank - thus there is a 50/50 chance that the terrain will end on that flank - first dice rolls 1, 5 or 6 - The first couple of pieces will go down OK -- subsequent pieces will start to struggle especially if the second dice is high  - once the first piece has gone down on an edge - subsequent pieces must be closer to the edge and have no other piece that is an area feature within the second dice roll

One of my Burgundian opponent's at Britcon used this method to great effect  .

Regards


David Mather