Second rank survivors

[Geoff Pearson]

What particularly worries me is that the statement 'when an element which could in some bounds provide rear support...'. Some dubious players could state that even though say the second rank Bd(O) cannot provide support against the Cv(S), it could provide rear rank support in 'some bounds' other than the bound its fighting now i.e. if an elephant element were to contact it. The whole section is open to interpretation and abuse. (Imagine someone stating that an eight deep column of Warband could potentially provide support, which of course they could if the front ranks keeps being destroyed!!!)

The DBMM v2 Commentary has the clarification ?If the rear rank(s) contacted could provide support vs the current frontal opponent in any
bound? so it has to be the ?current frontal opponent?
I suggest you use the Commentary as well as the main rules its there to sort these types of a problem out.
Best Regards
Geoff

[Valentinian Victor]

What particularly worries me is that the statement 'when an element which could in some bounds provide rear support...'. Some dubious players could state that even though say the second rank Bd(O) cannot provide support against the Cv(S), it could provide rear rank support in 'some bounds' other than the bound its fighting now i.e. if an elephant element were to contact it. The whole section is open to interpretation and abuse. (Imagine someone stating that an eight deep column of Warband could potentially provide support, which of course they could if the front ranks keeps being destroyed!!!)

The DBMM v2 Commentary has the clarification ?If the rear rank(s) contacted could provide support vs the current frontal opponent in any
bound? so it has to be the ?current frontal opponent?
I suggest you use the Commentary as well as the main rules its there to sort these types of a problem out.
Best Regards
Geoff

If the above is correct then I dont see how the second Blade can turn around to face as the third rank Ps(O) is able to provide support to the first rank Blade in combat with the Cv(S). All rather odd if you ask me.

So, if the Lh(F) were to only contact the flank of Ps(O), would this mean that the front rank Bd(O) in combat with the Cv(S) receive a -1 tactical factor. What happens if the Bd(O) loses the combat?

[Geoff Pearson]

So you know before hand, For Britcon 2011 if I am ask to adjudicate on supporting ranks my decision will be base on the following.

Rear Ranks Turning
For Britcon the competition rules state the commentary is to be used, so I must follow that and go back to me original forum post of a rank that currently can not support must turns.

Rear Ranks Flanked
When a currently supporting rear rank is fully contacted on its flank the front rank friend counts as having a hypothetical front edges covering the front friend and those it would contact if actually in that position, the actually covered rank would not die unless covered by the hypothetical front edge.   

Lastly on hypothetical front edges, if the front elements side edge is adjacent to a friendly side edge this does not block a hypothetical enemy front edge from counting as contacting it.

This is for Britcon only and I hope the commentary will make this clearer for players in the future.

Best Regards
Geoff
Umpire Britcon 2011

[Geoff Pearson]

What particularly worries me is that the statement 'when an element which could in some bounds provide rear support...'. Some dubious players could state that even though say the second rank Bd(O) cannot provide support against the Cv(S), it could provide rear rank support in 'some bounds' other than the bound its fighting now i.e. if an elephant element were to contact it. The whole section is open to interpretation and abuse. (Imagine someone stating that an eight deep column of Warband could potentially provide support, which of course they could if the front ranks keeps being destroyed!!!)

The DBMM v2 Commentary has the clarification ?If the rear rank(s) contacted could provide support vs the current frontal opponent in any
bound? so it has to be the ?current frontal opponent?
I suggest you use the Commentary as well as the main rules its there to sort these types of a problem out.
Best Regards
Geoff

If the above is correct then I dont see how the second Blade can turn around to face as the third rank Ps(O) is able to provide support to the first rank Blade in combat with the Cv(S). All rather odd if you ask me.

So, if the Lh(F) were to only contact the flank of Ps(O), would this mean that the front rank Bd(O) in combat with the Cv(S) receive a -1 tactical factor. What happens if the Bd(O) loses the combat?

If the 2nd blade must turn the Ps(O) must turn as it is behind it the fact it can support does not come in to it. Its the blade that must react to the LH(F) first not the Ps(O).
Best Regards
Geoff