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lorricount

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Manchu vs Ming Chinese 1660AD DBMM Battle Report
« on: April 23, 2014, 01:20:12 PM »
We have modified the Manchu & Ching Chinese army list in DBR to a DBMM army list.

From Wikipaedia

In late January 1659, a Chinese Chinese army led by Manchu prince Doni took the capital of Yunnan, sending the Yongli emperor fleeing into nearby Burma, which was then ruled by King Pindale Min of the Toungoo dynasty. The last sovereign of the Southern Ming stayed there until 1662, when he was captured and executed by Wu Sangui, whose surrender to the Manchus in April 1644 had allowed Dorgon to start the Qing conquest of China.

But in 1660AD, Manchu invaded in Autumn, deployed and moved first in this battle.
No significant weather is in effect.
This battle lasted for nine Bounds.

The Opposing Armies

(1) Manchu army Order of Battle 91ME 450AP
C1:
C in C  Jirgalang RCvS x 1
Plain Blue Bannermen & Bordered Blue Bannermen RCvS x 8

C2:
"Prince who Pacifies the South" Geng Jimao Sub General RCvS x 1
Plain Red Bannermen & Bordered Red Bannermen RCvS x 8

C3:
Geng Jingzhong Sub General RCvS x 1
Mongol Banner Cavalry RLHS x 8

C4: Shang Kexi Sub General RCvS x 1
Chinese:
RArtS x 1
RArtI x 2
RCvI x 4
IBdI x 8
IBwO x 4
RShI x 2

(2) Southern Ming Chinese army Order of Battle 92ME 450AP
C1:
In the Centre, Artillery and War Wagons CIC General Ngo RCvS
4 RArtO
4 RArtI
2 RWWgO
12 IBdI
TF x 8
30ME, 164AP with Orange and Black Banners

C2:
In the right, Red Banner infantries and Cavalries: Sub General Chu RCvS
4RCvO
3 ICvI
6 IBwX
6 IAxO
2 IBdI
8 IHdO
28ME, 143AP with Red Banners

C3
In the left, Blue Banner infantries and Cavalries: Sub General Ho RCvS
4RCvO
3 ICvI
6 IBwX
6 IAxO
2 IBdI
8 IHdO
28ME, 143AP with Blue Banner


Orcoteuthis

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Re: Manchu vs Ming Chinese 1660AD DBMM Battle Report
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014, 08:36:47 PM »
Neat. Did you feel the rules worked well for the out-of-period subject?

mickhession

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Re: Manchu vs Ming Chinese 1660AD DBMM Battle Report
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 11:21:08 PM »
Nice. I'm currently painting Manchu myself for FoG:R. Think I can spot some of the Outpost range in the photos?

Cheers
Mick

lorricount

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Re: Manchu vs Ming Chinese 1660AD DBMM Battle Report
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2014, 07:04:37 AM »
FYI, The Manchu figures are painted by Dragon Painting Service Co. (8 years ago)

Sadly, I don't know how to post the photo in this forum directly.

Therefore, you can look at the photos at the Facebook Forum of one of my friend:

https://www.facebook.com/chukwokwah/media_set?set=a.10152341813479154.1073741890.579139153&type=1

And also my Photo Album:

https://www.facebook.com/Lorricount/media_set?set=a.10152421436267259.506457258&type=3

lorricount

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Re: Manchu vs Ming Chinese 1660AD DBMM Battle Report
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2014, 07:08:44 AM »
Pls find the Manchu DBMM Army List we are using:

MANCHU AND CH'ING CHINESE 1601 AD - 1662 AD
Cold. Ag 4. S, WW, Rv, SH, GH, Wd. From 1644 AD Cool add DH, RF, O, E, M, Rd, BUA.

C-in-C - Reg Cv (S) @ 30AP                                                          1
Sub-general - as above                                          1-3
Manchu banner cavalry - Up to 1/2 Reg LH (S) @ 7AP, rest Reg Cv (S) @ 10AP.          8-52
Only from 1618 AD:
Mongol allies - List: Later Nomadic Mongol [Bk4/52]
Only from 1621 AD:
Chinese cavalry – Reg Cv (I) @ 5AP.                                 2-6
Chinese spearmen and swordsmen – Irr Bd (I) @ 4AP or Chinese militia Irr Hd (0) @ 1AP       4-12
Chinese archers - all Irr Bw (O) @ 4AP or all Irr Bw (X) @ 5AP - Bw (I) @ 3AP        2-3 per 4 Bd
Chinese handgunners - Reg Sh (I) @ 5AP                                          0-1 per 4 Bd
Chinese-cast bombards or European-style heavy guns – Reg Art (S) @ 10AP.                  0-1
Chinese jingals or other light artillery – Reg Art (O) @ 8AP or Reg Art (I) @ 4AP.              0-6
Only from 1634 AD:
Mongol bannermen - Up to 1/2 Reg Cv (S) @ 10AP, rest Reg LH (S) @ 7AP.                 4-16
Only 1644 AD to 1662 AD:
"Three Feudatories" allies - List: Ming Chinese [Bk4/73]
Only from 1650 AD:
Downgrade Manchu field banner cavalry as Cv(O)                          Any
Only 1654 AD to 1658 AD:
Korean allies - List: Yi Dynasty Korean  [Bk4/78]


lorricount

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Re: Manchu vs Ming Chinese 1660AD DBMM Battle Report
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2014, 07:09:48 AM »
This is an unofficial DBMM Army list and we have played it for three times against Ming Chinese.

khwchan888

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Re: Manchu vs Ming Chinese 1660AD DBMM Battle Report
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2014, 02:50:40 PM »
The rules work well for this out of period game.  I am the owner of the Manchu army and the figures are Outpost which are originally commissioned by me.